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Post by gymrat on Nov 14, 2012 19:47:56 GMT -5
Well, I had a hunch I would be one of the more conservative people on these forums. I was right. I'm also one of the more conservative people in my school.
*sigh*
I'd call my self a fiscal conservative and socially independent. Not affiliated with either party. Most of all, I am pragmatic about how stuff can get done.
Neither candidate would have destroyed this country. I thought Romney was a better choice. I'm not about to start crying about it.
Not much is going to happen this presidential cycle. The Supreme Court will maintain the status quo. Obama/ Dems will be unable to pass any major legislation with the possible exception of immigration reform if the Republicans decide that they want to win elections. Hopefully Boehner and Obama will beat Cantor down relatively quickly and get a budget plan passed. Hopefully Grover Norquist will disappear along with the Republican pledge against taxes.
That's about all that I expect to happen this Obama term. We shall see.
Rove's meltdown was hilarious. One of my favorite parts of the night.
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Post by DarthAvarous on Nov 14, 2012 21:34:54 GMT -5
I liked a lot of things on their platform, but for most points it was either a completely agree or completely disagree. Never had that before.
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Post by poisin224 on Nov 14, 2012 22:38:52 GMT -5
I'd call my self a fiscal conservative and socially independent. Not affiliated with either party. Most of all, I am pragmatic about how stuff can get done. I advise you to check out Gary Johnson if you haven't already. He's a libertarian that I can agree with on a surprising number of issues, even though his "role model" (Ron Paul) is a wackjob. www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htmPS: Note to all, "On The Issues" is a fantastic, 0-spin way to learn about politicians at all levels of government. |
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Post by gymrat on Nov 14, 2012 23:56:44 GMT -5
He's not bad. But its doesn't matter because he won't win!
If I'm honest with myself, I have liberal values on most social issues and moderate economic ones, but the school I attend is so liberal that I feel like a neocon sometimes.
I also think that political beliefs should not be based solely on principles. You need some respect for the actual effects something would have. For example, I think pot should be legalized not because I believe that it is our right to smoke joints on street corners, but because it would hurt drug cartels, prevent border violence and crime, and by helping to stabilize Mexico it would reduce illegal immigration. I could give a damn about hippies and their hemp hats.
I also don't care that much about candidates stances on many socials issues. No one can realistically overturn Roe v. Wade, so abortion is fairly safe. Same-sex marriage is a generational thing that will change in the coming years no matter what, so I don't care about their political stances. I don't think gun control will actually reduce crime rates, so I don't care what happens with it. Immigration reform will happen because the Latino community is now a significant portion of the electorate.
Gary Johnson is pretty good. I disagree with a few of his positions. Most prominently, foreign policy. I disagree with most libertarians about foreign policy. I disagree with many conservatives too.
I hope someone smart runs from the GOP next election, even if I disagree with some of their social policies. Someone like Jeb Bush. Or Marco Rubio.
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Post by skwiziks on Nov 15, 2012 1:24:41 GMT -5
I go to the local "stoner hippie college", and my thoughts on the military and gun control are enough to make me feel a little conservative by comparison. Know how that goes.
You seem to have a very pragmatic outlook, gymrat, and I wish that word didn't have a negative connotation, because I mean it in an entirely positive way. I'll admit I do hold my values on a pretty high pedestal, one that assuredly leads me to restrictive levels of bias, but I do try to consider the second and third order effects of any legislation/policies. In a democratic republic to get anything significant done one has to work through compromise and a certain degree of reconciliation. Absolute positions will get absolutely nothing done.
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Post by DarthAvarous on Nov 15, 2012 10:23:14 GMT -5
Neither candidate would have destroyed this country. I thought Romney was a better choice. I'm not about to start crying about it. This about sums up my feelings. My happiness is not dependent on external factors. I thought that at least Romney would have been willing to compromise to get things done (Since he comes from a state with 87% registered democrat majority), unlike any of the democrats. Harry Reid flat out said they would not work with Romney if elected. After the election he said both sides needed to come together. Vile, ignorant, hypocrite. Congress is the real problem. The President is only a figurehead. |
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Post by poisin224 on Nov 15, 2012 10:49:07 GMT -5
Neither candidate would have destroyed this country. I thought Romney was a better choice. I'm not about to start crying about it. This about sums up my feelings. My happiness is not dependent on external factors. I thought that at least Romney would have been willing to compromise to get things done (Since he comes from a state with 87% registered democrat majority), unlike any of the democrats. Harry Reid flat out said they would not work with Romney if elected. After the election he said both sides needed to come together. Vile, ignorant, hypocrite. Congress is the real problem. The President is only a figurehead. Romney issued over 800 vetoes. Not exactly "compromise". |
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Post by DarthAvarous on Nov 15, 2012 12:00:18 GMT -5
Romney issued over 800 vetoes. Not exactly "compromise". Thanks, I did not know this. Obama should have used this in campaign ads instead of petty attacks. Hard facts are way more effective (To me at least). But hey, he won, so what do I know? |
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Post by skwiziks on Nov 15, 2012 17:28:57 GMT -5
The Republican policies on immigration and women mean, for the moment, that the Democrats have an edge in presidential elections. Legends tell that the last red team candidate they wanted to go against was Perry, because immigration reform was a major part of his platform.
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Post by alesand on Nov 18, 2012 3:56:10 GMT -5
I decided to vote with my values this election rather than for the lesser of two evils. Think I might keep doing it. I did the same. Enough of the oligarch supported Democans and Republicrats! We must spread the word of other parties so the people will know that other choices actually exist. |
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